All he did to them was animate a stone hand to grab them, which Linda destroys. Citizenbane should know this as well, since I've seen him bring it up before. I think he'd be found wanting. Now, I'm not entirely sure just how powerful you are claiming Linda is supposed to be (i.e. BTW, king saturn, that's the best AV ever. I still say his ability to go intangible would give him time to develop an attack. Fate is a playable character and fallen Superhero from Injustice 2. =), just ask beatbox, he was the one owning this thread anyway. Again, not saying she is "winning" because of this, but he certainly isn't either. In fact he had those powers before the Helm was given him. Darkseid on the other hand has access to his full level of power from the outset of every encounter. Strange Vs. Darkseid. I think Dr. Actually Fate's feats across all version are quite consistent. If it were Dr. Darkseid & Thanos @Bane333 LMFAO, Thanos cucked the in-betweener, Tanked a blast that could kill the entire NEXUS OF ALL REALITIES, escaped the god quarry and ABSORB it's power, the god Quarry created INFINITE infinity stones, each being it's own concept, Thanos tanked blasts that killed off all of marvel including ETERNITY and INFINITY, outsmarted GALACTUS moving galactus to his fate Everything else about Kent V is simply alluded to in terms of power. So by the time fate would be at DS's level he would have already lost. To me it looks like they run like so: Scan 2: Darkseid attacks Linda and misses. Jul 10, 2014 - Original Comic Art titled DARKSEID VS HAWKMAN AND DR FATE, located in GREEN's GREEN LANTERN 76 Comic Art Gallery (881523) Cap is clearly too much for Dick. Fate and Spectre were able to stop the universe from being destroyed. 2.Incorrect. I still can't describe how pissed off I am that the booted Fate to Earth 2. The 10th age still seems to have the same but there is now also a price for magic. NO, that was what I was also trying to say about the statement of Nabu ( .i.e it's irrelevant ). It's from the previous issue, and actually, that blast knocked him over as well. Superhero battle match: Darkseid (New 52) versus Doctor Fate. the level of power a mortal can use without a talisman in DC is always limited. The only reason they feign a surrender is because he shows them an essentially endless army of parademons, and points out that he can just keep sending wave after wave of them at the Fates until they are just overwhelmed. So anyone arguing the Fates legitimately lost, are basically arguing that Dr. Like Batman said, if you need Darkseid taken care of use this phone number and call in Dr.Fate. he also had the ability to do minor spells and levitate things. The preceding issues also gave me the impression that Linda was extremely new to being fate, and didn't even particularly want or like it. Fate shoots an energy blast across the screen at an angle of aproximately 30 degrees downward that does six damage on contact. Rounds end in death or incapacitation, No BFR. Faust was taken over by a powerful mystic (stated as a said the reason he waited for someone like Faust). Like most incarnations of the DC hero, he is made up of two individuals, a human host, namely Kent Nelson, and the god Nabu. The text also explicitly states that she is only at half power, and that Erik is weak with fever. All versions have had the power of strength, speed, flight, invulnerability and not aging without the Helm. When writers want to prolong the story he never unleashes the kind of power we expect of him. Despite it's nigh-limitless versatility it always seems the the hardest thing for mystics to overcome is insurmountable physical attributes. Like I said, I think a lot of people make assumptions about the Nelson Dr. @entropy_aegis: I really have no idea how you could interpret anything I said as leading to a victory for Darkseid. Darkseid I Believe That Doctor Fate Could Pull Off Some Pretty Insane Stuff With His Magic, But Personally I Think Darkseid's Omega Beams And Super Strength Would Eventually Overwhelm Fate. I already pointed out that the fever had been with him for sometime. I do think if Spectre wasn't jobbing and went all out, he could deal with Darkseid if not kill him. There was a perfect example of this in one of Felix Faust early appearances. This is largely basing it on the idea that a fully proficient Fate is at least roughly as learned and competent as Dr. YJ is owned by WB and DC. Personally, I think the simplest response to that issue is that Nabu =/= Fate. Before that he had none. 1) Even with the retcon, it was not an avatar, it was Desaad. Fate in late 1987, and the story arc in question was printed late 1989, so two years real time. I think I can call myself an authority. Which is fine, and I don't think I ever said otherwise, I just don't think that a single retconned, PIS instance that didn't even involve the right characters and wasn't even being presented properly, should be brought up as the be-all-end-all of this battle. To face an alliance between a Lord of chaos Vaneamon and a Lord of Order Ynar Classic Fate merged with his host's wife Inza. This Kent Nelson has enough knowledge in magic to work powerful spells without the vestments or talismans of fate in areas of power like Stone henge and his Salem tower. Nabu in his energy state has advantages that a physical Dr Fate doesn't. He isn't a merged Fate and has never had access to more power than that which Linda did in this issue. He is shot 3 times. Fate who are wise and just, this version is bitter, cynical and has utterly lost faith in humanity and the other heroes, as have the Lords of Fate. Thanos vs Darkseid- Darkseid wins unless Thanos has the IG. Like i said I don't see Fate getting the upper hand and I'm a Fate fanboy. Battle 9. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. 9 SQUIRREL GIRL Squirrel Girl has taken on the likes of Doctor Doom, but her biggest accomplishment comes in the form of dropping Thanos. Didn't Darkseid defeat Dr. Darkseid I Believe That Doctor Fate Could Pull Off Some Pretty Insane Stuff With His Magic, But Personally I Think Darkseid's Omega Beams And Super Strength Would Eventually Overwhelm Fate. I would lean towards Darksied but I would love to hear some experienced opinion's on this one. When both Linda or Erik form Fate alone they have the same level of power. Mystic characters aren't always capable of their peak feats because of how magic works in both companies. The only thing Darkseid actually did to them was use the stone hand, but Linda broke it pretty quickly. Bonus round 1: Pre-crisis, bloodlusted Defeating a never before heard from demon ( and never heard again) defeating Lady Blaze, and bringing a soul back from the afterlife ( which by all accounts almost killed him, and Inza Fate accomplished the same with Consummate ease). Yes Dr Fate has super strength, flight invulnerability etc. I don't really see the relevance, to be honest. Superhero battle match: Darkseid (New 52) versus Doctor Fate. Order your 23andMe Health + Ancestry Service kit at http://23andme.com/deathbattleTry Blue Apron! Your comments on Nabu vs. Spectre were at the beginning of your post. Darkseid gets owned by the all-father who then proceeds to destroy Strange with the help of fate. Kent V found the helmet ( or rather it found him) in 2007's 8 issue mini series countdown to mystery. he did this to be able to access the power not just of Order (through the Helm of Nabu) or of chaos (through his amulet of Anubis) but also the power of human emotion. Erik gets shot once, but that just gets him to Apokolips, and he was severely ill anyway. Darkseid was formerly known as Uxas, … The tower exists in all realities. Linda isn't shot at all. Or that's what I always thought, like a bond some what between the host and helmet of nabu. He may not use them regularly enough to be considered in-character but he does have them. Alright, so in my opinion, some characters, notably Dr. In comics, a doppleganger (Desaad) of Darkseid has already defeated not … If anything, it should lead to the conclusion that people should simply stop bringing up this battle because it is irrelevant; neither Fate was Kent Nelson, one was a dying, one was a half-powered rookie, they weren't fighting Darkseid anyway, just Desaad, and they won. So basically, before the retcon, we had a PIS low-showing for Darkseid, and after the retcon, we have a PIS high-showing for Desaad. I really need to find those issues someday. For most of JSA he was only in cameo's and he really didn't make much of a splash. The other common assumption to me seems to be that Kent Nelson is kind of viewed as being the quintessential Dr. He does not personally subdue or harm them. In all versions he can raise the dead, animate objects, warp reality etc. DS was well in control and Fate pulled out a plot win by making DS feel mercy (retconed to later not be DS). ). How would the current Fate with less showings less experience and less power fare against the real deal. I think there may be some confusion here. It was actually retconned into being Desaad, not a doppelganger. Erik wasn't Dying ( he lived for quite some time afterward, and was rebirthed into a new magical life form to save humanity at the end of the Straus Run), Linda was no less a neophyte than Kent V has been in every showing he's had. When Superman came to his friend to ask for his help, Fate refused, stating that he had become weary of the never-ending battle. Basically, based purely on what it is supposedly capable of, he is like superman with Dr Strange powers and some martian manhunter skills as well. Animated Series: Justice League. Powerful sorcerer Kent Nelson wears the Helm of Fate and sees the fate of all mankind, for better or worse. Fate in general is much weaker than I've been lead to believe, Desaad overpowering a Fate (which didn't actually happen here, but I'm just stating hypothetically) would be PIS. The Original Dr Fate for example when he lost the Helm of Nabu and wore a shrunkated version that he created (half helmet) was still a superman type of hero, but with psychic senses etc. Rounds end in death or incapacitation, No BFR Rounds: Round 1: Pre-crisis, in-character. The exact words are "half a Fate... at half power...". But as they started to charge Fate, Fate says “Forgive Me, For What I Must Do My Friends. Darkseid - Respect thread Conditions: Dr. Never said she hurt him. It can be reached by anyone with knowledge of the Tower and s much larger on the inside. But you know, both are key characters especially Darkseid as a villian so obviously they won't kill him off. Fate is weaker than Desaad. He could even work vast magic in the valley of power (Nabu's tomb) just as he could in his Salem Tower, without the Helm. He may not win, but given what I've seen when both went up against Spectre, clearly Nabu gave him a much harder time then Darkseid did. I can't really speak to the accuracy of the comparison. 2) The scans of Darkseid addressing the Lords of Chaos and Order are from the same story arc as the Fates, so if you're going to insist it was Desaad who fought the Dr's, then it was also Desaad who spoke on equal terms with the Lords of C&O, not Darkseid. His everlasting goal is the utter domination and enslavement of all life in creation, when all is ordered according to his will. It was ended when Green Arrow put an arrow through the book of power of the ancient mage. Normally Himon and Metron would be fairly reliable testimony, but in this case, they are just wrong. Fate is WAY more powerful with the full helm. Absolutely, which I already covered in the simple line " According to the laws of Magic in the 9th age (DC) mortal mystics could only draw power through the Lords of Order and Chaos, talismans, or familiars,". Darkseid gets knocked down again. There is no reason to believe the presence would prevent anyone else from destroying Darkseid. He … She shoots and hits. he had all those powers before the Helm was given him. KMC Forums > Comic Book Forums > Comic Book 'Versus' Forum > Dr. Magic isn’t a weakness for Superman, anymore than it’s a weakness for Doctor Fate. he's also a Dr fate fan but a Darkseid one as well so he'd be the most informed on both and the least biased. Also, I know Nabu is the source of Fate's power, but more or less the same character when the helmet is on someone, it's Nabu controlling the host to a degree. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. I don't know how many appearances she had as Fate in those two years though (it doesn't seem to be many, since it looks like there was a bit of a publication gap between the miniseries she became Fate, and the series where they fought Desaad). They often appear in stories with DC's supernatural heroes, such as Dr. If Kent Nelson is less experienced than Linda, that's fine. Now, I don't really know how they compare to Kent Nelson as Fate, since these are the only issues I've seen of them, but between the sickness, split power, and inexperience, I would assume that he is a vastly more formidable version of Fate. Fate, The Spectre, or Morpheus. Gender: Male Location: United States. Darkseid gets knocked down. 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