In attempt to simplify, these comparisons complicate. And it was Jewish through and through from the start. In response to hearing of the doctrine of the trinity, people may pose the question, “but how could God be both three and one?” That is a clear contradiction, so how could that be so? For us to draw these comparisons only muddies the water. I think New Testament scholarship has come to appreciate that Christianity as a movement is rooted in the person of Jesus of Nazareth. The Trinity is Like an Egg. Although early Christian theologians speculated in many wayson the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, no one clearly and fully assertedthe doctrine of the Trinity as explained at the top of the main entryuntil around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Transcript Is There a Good Analogy for the Trinity? Stop overcomplicating everything. One will construe God's attributes in such a way as to glorify and magnify God as the greatest conceivable being. 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And what I look at is this illustration of Cerberus, which was this three-headed dog guarding the gates of Hades in Greek mythology, and I press this and adapt it and adjust it in certain ways to try to see if we can make sense of the idea of three persons which are nevertheless one being rather than three beings. But that does not mean that you cannot explain what the Bible reveals. They were forced to come to an understanding of God which involved multiple persons in the Godhead. ), but it is not so complicated that no human being can understand it. It may be counter-intuitive. So in this verse, there are two who are called YHWH: the Redeemer and the King of Israel. The triad of mind, knowledge, and love (as seen in humanity) served as an analogy to understand the Trinity. ©2021 Therefore, God Exists
But God does not take on different modes. We would not expect the worm to instantly understand the man, or the man to be precisely what the worm expects. In one egg you have the white, the yoke, and the shell composing one full egg. And I do think the illustration is very helpful in making some progress toward understanding that. This analogy actually teaches the heresy … Kevin Harris: Detractors of the Trinity, especially our Muslim friends and others, would say that the church got that from pagan stories. Get Dr. Craig's newsletter and keep up with RF news and events. That would be a contradiction. 1. How can you have an entity which is one being, one entity, and yet is three persons? If water is inadequate, there are a wide array of alternative analogies we can turn to in modern theological parlance. What was that analogy that you gave in Florida, and what were his concerns? Since the doctrine of the trinity is often built up as something so complicated that no mere mortal could ever understand any aspect of, we scramble desperately for a way to relay this divine truth to new Christians. Meaning “traces of the Trinity,” vestigia Trinitatis is all about identifying the Trinitarian underpinnings of a universe spoken into existence by a triune God. There is one God who is eternally present in three persons. Kevin Harris: Oh, yeah, how radical. And that's why I don't like analogies, I don't like to use analogies like the triple point of water, or water being steam and ice and liquid, these sorts of things. That is the trinity. H 2 O can exist in three forms: liquid, gas and solid. How can we simplify this? Is there any merit to that criticism? A worm looks up at a man. Dr. Craig: Well, I would say that's silly. How would you respond? The shamrock analogy is perhaps better than the egg and apple analogies, although it shares the weakness of possibly dividing God into “parts.” Another common illustration of the Trinity involves the different states of matter (solid, liquid, and gas). He will construe omnipotence in the greatest terms that are logically coherent. Kevin Harris: I also want to mention that twice now Dr. White has made intimations that on our podcast we put philosophy over the Word of God. This, however, without the admission of why it doesn’t work, is arguably Arianism, that Jesus and the … The three most common go-to analogies for explaining the Trinity are water, an egg, and the sun. But it is not an accurate explanation of the Triune God because it portrays Modalism. There's no evidence whatsoever of that. So the doctrine of the Trinity is simply the attempt of the early fathers to make explicit what in scripture is implicit. Do not worry about analogies. They all fall short? It is only like that because you are the one explaining it and you are overcomplicating it. So in this analogy, you have one egg but this one egg is only an egg when it has the yoke, the white and the shell. The unitarian or the detractor of the doctrine of the Trinity alleges that this is either a logical contradiction or it's just an incomprehensible doctrine, one that makes no sense at all. Dr. Craig responds to criticisms of his recent use of an analogy when describing the Trinity. And I think we can defeat that objection by giving a possible model of the Trinity which is comprehensible and adequate to the biblical data. What sense can you make of a tri-personal being? And water can have different forms: … [3] Paul says, this is a mystery which is now made known by God. This seems to carry over into theology. God may not be what you expect. I think Dr. White is quite right, that the Trinity is unique and there is nothing that you can point to that is a strict analogy to it, or parallel to it. So I see the constraints on doing theology as being first and foremost Scripture, and then you will interpret Scripture in light of perfect being theology. Scripture affirms that God is eternal. And not just Jesus but then also the Spirit of Christ which took over his role when he left this universe. So that when we interpret Scripture we will interpret it in such a way as to magnify and glorify God to the greatest extent. Yet a few verses down, Isaiah plainly states that there is only one God (44:8). The Doctrine of the Trinity is one of the most central doctrines of Christianity. This analogy can be used to show how one can also be three. Yet we look to the heavens and hold expectations of God. Dr. Craig: No, because that's my own view, the view that you just described. The analogy draws upon the passages that speak of the Son and the Spirit “proceeding” from the Father (like John 8:42 and John 15:26). The Bible teaches three truths: 1 – there is one God. If the Sun is accepted as a correct analogy of the Trinity, then the Trinity becomes tritheism. Also, I would be cautious about using triads in nature, such as solid-liquid-gas, three dimensions, past/present/future as any proof of the Trinity (not th… These are just three modes that he takes. And people are pretty quick to send these and say, “How do you respond to these?” Some we may not be aware of, but quite often when it's someone who is well-known we'll get word of it quickly, and we'll try to respond. What is a good analogy for the trinity? The good thing about the illustration, though, is it does help to get us thinking about how can you have a tri-personal being? Love is therefore as perfect in us as it approximates the perfect sharing that constitutes the Trinity. [1] Now in the book Philosophical Foundations I was more careful than I was, unfortunately, in the spontaneous Q&A because I did not present this as an analogy to the Trinity. It may seem like an illogical model of God (although I argued against this in my article Is The Trinity A Logical Model of God? So the doctrine of the Trinity is clearly rooted in the impact of the person of Jesus of Nazareth upon these early Jewish disciples. Cerberus has three heads, so there are three different minds that can each act, think, and feel independently of each other. God is infinitely greater than we are, so it should not surprise us when we are unable to fully understand Him. Kevin Harris: Is the Trinity, however, a mystery? But when you provide an illustration or an analogy, if you've captured the doctrine of the Trinity correctly then it would be to posit some entity that would be analogous to God in his tri-personal being. As John 1:18 says, Jesus is “the only begotten God, in the bosom of [God] the Father.” Therefore, there is one God, who is eternally present in three persons. I just see no reason to think that there should be anything truly analogous to the Trinity. But as we tell them how complicated it is, and how they just need to take it on faith, we are likely to lead our friends astray into confusion. These are likewise erroneous or even heretical. Three in one is not an incoherent concept, and when a triangle is used that way, and that way only, it is not wrong. The phrase “light from light” is actually taken from the affirmation in the Nicene Creedwhere Jesus is said to be “God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God.” This was in direct response to the heresy of Arius, who taught that the Son was a lesser, created being. The Muslim detractor of the Trinity is apt to be very offended at the comparison of God to a dog, even a mythological dog, and I understand those religious sensibilities. Nonetheless, proponents of such t… Within this framework, Augustine proposed his famous “psychological analogy” for the Trinity. Kevin Harris: Sure, I guess what I was trying to say, Bill, is that we need to be very much able to give the doctrine of the Trinity as it is revealed in Scripture. One of the best Trinity analogies, in my opinion, is Dr. Craig's Cerberus analogy. It is not beyond all human comprehension. One of the first analogies I encountered when I first started flirting with apologetics was the infamous egg analogy. Rather, God is one God, and three persons. If you think it is too complicated to understand, then perhaps you should not be teaching people. As we appeal to these elements of the world that people know and comprehend, we try to render the trinity relatable. Also, the egg is made up of three distinct and unalike parts. Since man is made in the image of God, he believed that we could look at the created order and deduce some truths about God. What is a good analogy for the trinity? And I think the Cerberus story can help us to make some advance in understanding that if we invest these three canine minds with self-consciousness and hence personhood. Similarly with other attributes of God. But it helps us to make progress toward understanding certain affirmations of the Trinity. The best one is the Shield of Athanasius, also known as the Scutum fidei , “the Shield of Faith,” precisely because it doesn’t address the functional economy at all! Explain from Scripture. It is not perfect (no analogy can be), but it opens a window for us to contemplate the Trinity. That is modalism. Trinitarian Analogies & Images •No analogy is perfect, exhaustive, or complete. 2 – The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are each God. In fact it would be preposterous to think that Jewish monotheists would come to adapt the doctrine of God to fit these sort of mythological stories. Rather in Philosophical Foundations for a Christian Worldview what I am doing is trying to make sense out of the doctrine of the Trinity that the notion that there are three persons who are not three beings, but are one being. Learn what the trinity is, because there is a succinct and simple definition that is easy to understand. God may be more complicated than a man, or more complicated than what we expect, but we can still understand what the Bible teaches. Another good proof-text would be Isaiah 44:6 (and I went into more detail in my article 3 Reasons Atheists Are Afraid To Read Isaiah) which reads, âSo said the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of Hosts.” Both times the word Lord are used, they replace the word YHWH, the name of God. Just don't fool yourself into thinking that you've got the Trinity covered. Thank you for your comments. And in the end I reject the analogy of Cerberus. The testimony of Scripture is that there is one God who is eternally present in three persons. That is by no means a perfect analogy. Eggs are one, yet comprise yolk, shell and albumen. And then I hear you say that we can go on and try to show the rationale and that it's not contradictory and so on, in defining and describing the Trinity itself. We can make some sense out of it. Dr. Craig: Well, exactly. Obviously he is not both three gods and one god, and obviously he is not both three persons and one person. If you say when thinking about the substance of the triune God then you can think about the Trinity like Water, though each person may be different like Ice, Water, and Steam, they all share the same substance. Dr. Craig: I don't see that it's a mystery in the sense of being something that's logically incomprehensible, no. When we want to explain something, especially complex topics, we often want to appeal to analogies and illustrations as tools to help us illustrate our point. Danika T., United Kingdom [Commenting on Has the ‘God particle’ been found?] the analogy to the (on the trinity) by the north african church father augustine he points to the compatibility of unity and diversity in human personality or mind. This supplementary document discusses the history of Trinitytheories. And then we do see here we seem to have a tri-personal dog, a tri-personal entity. There’s a simple reason they don’t work: The Trinity, as such, isn’t like anything in creation. “In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, and the Word was God. At the same time, we recall that, while perfectly selfless in their mutual sharing of the divine nature, the Persons in the Trinity do not thereby cease to be themselves. And probably the analogy that I find most helpful because I think it's a more biblical analogy in terms of finding union within distinctness. We don't find a Trinity in pagan mythology, we just don't. I think that it is within human capacity to understand what the Bible reveals, or else there would not be any reason for the Bible to reveal it. [4] So when the New Testament uses the word “mystery” it's not using it in the sense of truths that are above reason or logically incomprehensible. Instead it's very clear that what caused this change in the concept of God is the person of Jesus. Water at room temperature is liquid. I think it may be permissible at this point out that there are other things in the universe that are three in one. They're just truths which have been previously unrevealed. What is a good analogy for the trinity? hood is pattered (Eph.3:14,15). Certainly there are analogous elements in the Cerberus story, but it's not a complete and finally satisfactory analogy for the Trinity, as I explain in Philosophical Foundations. If you would like to get in on the discussion about this, join my Theology Discussion Group! So the way I see it is that these analogies can help us make progress toward comprehending or understanding the Trinity so that it's not just a mystery or a logical paradox. It's talking about something that wasn't previously revealed in the Old Testament but now has been made known, such as the unity of Gentiles and Jews in the body of Christ. according to augustine, the fact that humans are made in the image of god indicates that there should be traces of the trinity … The constraints for doing good systematic theology, I think, are first and foremost Scripture, and then secondly what I would call perfect being theology, the notion that God is the greatest conceivable being. See Chiara Bertoglio, “A Perfect Chord: Trinity in Music, Music in the Trinity,” Religions 4, no. This analogy denies the unity of the God-head. Tertullian, for example, said of the Son of … And so what I finally propose is that we need to think of God as a soul, an unembodied mind, endowed with three sets of rational faculties each of which is sufficient for personhood. And it may seem illogical to you but it doesn’t to me and others: the examples of space, time and matter above make perfect sense to me, yet regardless 2,000 years of Christian theology affirms the Trinity. That is why it is important to show verses such as John 1:1-2. Cerberus is a three-headed dog in Greek mythology. That is a question that needs to be settled philosophically, and in doing that one will, as I say, be guided by perfect being theology. Well that is not an issue to be settled scripturally. Then there are the Augustinian analogies for the blessed Trinity, “Augustine reasons that if we can’t catch intellectual sight of the Trinity directly, at least we can see reflections, images, or indications of the Trinity in the created realm, above all in the highest part of human beings (the mind), who are made “in the image and likeness of God” (Augustine Trinity, 231 [VII.4.12]; Genesis 1:26). There may be no analogy of the trinity that does not break down at some point. Again, this is a lesson for us. Kevin Harris: Dr. Craig, from time to time we not only respond to questions that people send us but we respond to various criticisms that we might encounter on the web or that we receive in various ways. And that is obviously something that makes one very uncomfortable. We simply don’t have any perfect analogy. He was with God in the beginning.” The Word was both God, and with God. That is not to say that a triangle and the trinity are identical, but for the purpose of illustrating that three in one is not always a paradox, the concept of a triangle is a useful tool. Stop desperately shuffling through fallacious analogies. Inappropriate image in good examples of trinity of the trinity is either True, we humans are image bearers but nothing in creation serves as an analogy for the Trinity because the Trinity is a doctrine of special (biblical) revelation not nature or reason. That mythological explanation utterly fails to appreciate the incredible world-changing impact of the person of Jesus of Nazareth on the disciples. Hasker also objects that Leftow’s one–self theory collapses the interpersonal relationships of the members of the Trinity into God’s relating to himself, and suggests that in Leftow’s view, God would enjoy self–love, but not other–love, and so would not be perfect (2009, 161–2, 2012a, 331). The problem with this analogy is that an egg yoke is of a very different substance than a shell. This is where most of the humanly devised analogies we use to represent the Trinity fall short. the Trinity. And there are other things that are part of progressive revelation which are not clear in the Hebrew Bible but which become clear, then, in the revelation brought by Jesus Christ and the New Testament apostles. He talks about the mind's ability to remember, to understand, and to will. But if we have something like that even in our finite human world, is it really that crazy to think that God himself could exist as a Trinity? So we tell them, “Just as a man can be a father, a son, and a husband, so God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.” But that comparison is fatal to the trinity. The mind may still boggle at this notion, at the presentation of three in one. There may be no analogy of the trinity that does not break down at some point. A man who is a father, a son, and a husband is not three distinct persons. St. Augustine searches for an analogy to help his listeners comprehend the oneness of the Trinity but the distinct works of each Person (though it’s important to remember that all Trinitarian analogies fall short). Though you are right in thinking that it isn’t a perfect analogy of the Trinity, we can’t have a perfect analogy as it can’t be possible for us to understand or explain using finite words or images. •From the Athanasian Creed: “And the catholic faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity; Neither confounding the persons nor dividing the substance.” If you say the Trinity is a like states of water, then that’s far too broad. Yet we look to the heavens and hold expectations of God. The Trinity underscores the importance of relationships. Physician, heal yourself. The sun comprises the sun itself, its light and its heat. Dr. Craig: I don't seen any differentiation between the doctrine of the Trinity and the Trinity itself. A video by Tekton Apologetics on Youtube called “Try-outs for the Trinity” suggest this as the best analogy but also admits reasons to why it isn’t perfect, as no perfect analogy exists. Direct- These analogies not only do il- ing, and Sending is appropri- lustrate the Trinity, So what ate to the position of the does it infer, But they serve as Father, after all human Father- illustrations for this Doctrine. I mean, obviously God isn't a doctrine. Kevin Harris: Philosophy helps us to fill in some gaps, though, that perhaps Scripture doesn't specifically address? John empowers this point toward the end of his prologue as he calls Jesus (v. 18) “…the only begotten God, in the bosom of the Father…” So we see two distinct persons within the one God. How the analogy goes: The Trinity is like an egg. [2] But rather because people who are unsympathetic to the doctrine of the Trinity, who are just looking for something to criticize or to mock, will find it disrespectful and unhelpful to compare God to a dog. Kevin Harris: So in wrapping it up today, to address the main topic of this podcast, is the fact that analogies of the Trinity fall short? God is eternally present in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. A triangle is one triangle and three sides. Rather it is to help understand certain affirmations about God, for example, that God is tri-personal and yet he's one entity, and I do think we can make progress on understanding that. But Scripture is under-determinative with respect to how you understand eternity. Of course, you can use the Cerberus analogy to knock-down specific challenges to the doctrine of the Trinity. •Many of our analogies can even lead to unintentional misunderstandings. It is impossible for us humans to fully comprehend, or to give a perfect analogy.
We can still understand what the Bible says. Scripture doesn't speak to that question. How are we to handle various attempts at illustrations and analogies of this crucial doctrine? Stay on top of the information you need to navigate the admissions process amid the COVID-19 pandemic. Just a few notes of caution. In my previous post in this series I discussed how the Son proceeds from the Father. In his book Traces of the Trinity, Leithart dives deep into a little-known theological concept called vestigia Trinitatis. 3 – The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons. (Again…we’re trying to grasp something that isn’t fully grasp-able.) He does not have three centers of consciousness. (See 3.2 belowand section 3.1of thesupplementary document on unitarianism.) Seems to a sound analogy of trinity, and parcel of keeping reason to you do so my only in. We see in Colossians 2:9: However, Jesus is not the Father or the Holy Spirit—see also the ancient Trinity diagram. That's very clear when you read how the word is used in the New Testament. What is a good analogy for the trinity? Dr. Craig: Yes, we try to make sense of it. Dr. Craig: Right, even, as I say, the Cerberus analogy, as helpful as it is, ultimately falls short in that regard. A worm looks up at a man. If someone already has an understanding based on the definition and explanation above, then these analogies might help them grasp aspects of the Trinity. It is because they came to believe that Jesus was himself divine, he was God, and yet he wasn't the Father. So ultimately Cerberus, though it gets you some direction toward the Trinity, it ultimately falls short. I think it should be pointed out that the trinity is not necessarily a mystery. A doctrine is a propositional entity; God is a concrete object, so obviously the Trinity isn't identical to a doctrine. 3. Now in the Florida Veritas Forum I think I spoke too quickly in saying this is an analogy of the Trinity. 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